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Request for Information => Bird ID => Topic started by: winz on October 25, 2014, 09:55:50 AM

Title: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: winz on October 25, 2014, 09:55:50 AM

This was just taken in my backyard in Mississauga.
Is it a female Oregon variety?

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3939/15620581361_1d0f22f3a7_z.jpg)

Thanks for your help.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: thouc on October 25, 2014, 03:13:54 PM

To me it looks intermediate between an Oregon and a regular Slate-coloured Junco.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: Rotarran on October 25, 2014, 05:59:30 PM

Could it be a so-called "Pink-sided"?

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: thouc on October 25, 2014, 10:03:49 PM

I don't believe Pink-sided Junco has ever been recorded in Ontario. It should have broader pink sides and a black lores (the area between bill and eye).

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: Reuven_M on October 26, 2014, 09:46:19 AM

I've never seen one, but it looks like a pretty obvious female Oregon to me.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: John on October 26, 2014, 09:52:42 AM

Cassiar Junco?

And Pink-sided has been recorded in Ontario on more than one occasion.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: thouc on October 26, 2014, 11:59:41 AM

Could fit with a female Oregon (possibly immature) or a Cassiar (hybrid/intergrade between Oregon and Slate-coloured) Junco.

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And Pink-sided has been recorded in Ontario on more than one occasion.

Thanks for the information. I see there are three records on e-Bird in southern Ontario, the last one in 2010.

/Thomas

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: Canoncan on October 26, 2014, 02:46:29 PM

It is a female Slate-coloured Junco, the can be variable with the right light. I get these in my backyard in Whitby many times.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: John on October 26, 2014, 07:47:15 PM

The hood looks a little distinct for our standard J. h. hyemalis Juncos.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: thouc on October 26, 2014, 09:45:51 PM

Quote from: "John"

The hood looks a little distinct for our standard J. h. hyemalis Juncos.

I agree.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: Canoncan on October 26, 2014, 10:15:55 PM

This link shows a standard female, as I work I. Vancouver regularly I see them all time. The head is still darker than this bird
https://www.google.ca/search?q=female+o ... 1000%3B667 (https://www.google.ca/search?q=female+oregon+junco&client=safari&hl=en&biw=768&bih=900&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=LqhNVMTQG4aRyASY44LQAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgrc=K5FavQ3mXq4jZM%253A%3BQLA4ecAhfKnFQM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F1.bp.blogspot.com%252F-At0LWQX3JRs%252FTnpLxB5YFeI%252FAAAAAAAABNo%252FADgJfjim3bg%252Fs1600%252F_N5Y9114.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fyukonbirdobservatories.blogspot.com%252F2011_09_01_archive.html%3B1000%3B667)

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: thouc on October 27, 2014, 07:41:19 AM

Quote from: "Canoncan"

This link shows a standard female, as I work I. Vancouver regularly I see them all time. The head is still darker than this bird
https://www.google.ca/search?q=female+o ... 1000%3B667 (https://www.google.ca/search?q=female+oregon+junco&client=safari&hl=en&biw=768&bih=900&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=LqhNVMTQG4aRyASY44LQAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgrc=K5FavQ3mXq4jZM%253A%3BQLA4ecAhfKnFQM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F1.bp.blogspot.com%252F-At0LWQX3JRs%252FTnpLxB5YFeI%252FAAAAAAAABNo%252FADgJfjim3bg%252Fs1600%252F_N5Y9114.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fyukonbirdobservatories.blogspot.com%252F2011_09_01_archive.html%3B1000%3B667)

That's why I mentioned immature female or Cassiar. Here's an example of what a BC birder call a brown female Oregon Junco (http://natureniche.zenfolio.com/p116827779/hFAAEF29#h2ec6a83a), which would probably be an immature female. Interesting to note is that birds they call "Slate-coloured or Cassiar", we would definitely not think it would be anything else than a regular Slate-coloured if seen here.

Title: Re: Junco - Oregon?
Post by: Canoncan on October 27, 2014, 02:27:43 PM

I would lean to Cassiar