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Photography => Ontario Birds => Topic started by: ravynne40 on March 06, 2010, 06:03:24 PM

Title: Humber Bay Park West
Post by: ravynne40 on March 06, 2010, 06:03:24 PM
Went for the CCFEW Bird walk this morning, it was great.
here is one of our finds: Hawk with is morning breakfast!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4411481831_489aaf92cf_o.jpg)

Irene
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Post by: Niloc on March 06, 2010, 06:07:05 PM
Wow nice capture well done!!!
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Post by: JTF on March 06, 2010, 06:19:21 PM
Wow,what a great shot. Excellent.
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Post by: ravynne40 on March 06, 2010, 06:34:19 PM
Thank you Colin and Paul

we couldn't determine the type of hawk, but i think he was a young red-tail, the breast is all wrong for cooper's or sharpie
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Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2010, 07:01:52 PM
Great capture!

You're right - it isn't a mature coopers or sharpie...hint hint... :D
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Post by: Scott on March 06, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
Nice sharp shot Irene
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Post by: Bluffs Birder on March 06, 2010, 09:13:21 PM
Hi Irene,

That is truly a great capture, it really displays what it means to be a 'raptor'.  The death stare is wonderful, especially after the kill.

I'm almost 100% certain that the bird is a juvenile Cooper's Hawk.  Both the Cooper's Hawk and Sharp-shinned Hawk have yellow eyes when young which eventually turn to red as they mature.  They also do a complete change in feather colour as well, turning from brown to grey on their backs and from beige to orange on their breasts and bellies, they're very simular in appearance but in size they are different.  The size of this bird is definitely bigger than the prey (Pigeon) it's eating whereas a Sharpie would be roughly the same size, if not smaller, than the Pigeon.  A Red-tailed Hawk would appear even larger than a Cooper's while holding a Pigeon.  Red-tails also have a very distinct bellyband of brown feathers (seen below).  Hope this helps.

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_k1pXepVI5SQ/Sx2ZPgx2itI/AAAAAAAABLA/lpj9lryqgdM/s512/0055.JPG)

Walter  :)

update:
I just looked at your 'flickr' page and noticed that you have several great photos of Red-tailed Hawks from today, the 'bellyband' is quite obvious in some of your shots.
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Post by: denis on March 06, 2010, 10:46:58 PM
that,s an excellent shot,irene.
congrats.
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Post by: Brian Bailey on March 06, 2010, 11:28:43 PM
Hi Irene,

Very nice job pulling out the shadow detail!  I know how harsh the lighting was because I have some very similar shots.

It was a small Coopers.  At the time I thought it was small enough to be a Sharpie, but when I looked at my images later I realized it had to be a Coopers with those thin breast streaks.

BB
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Post by: Moira on March 06, 2010, 11:45:16 PM
Sensational Irene!  Definitely "wall worthy"  :)
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Post by: Photoman on March 06, 2010, 11:48:17 PM
Outstanding shot Irene, just perfect.

Clemens 8)
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Post by: ravynne40 on March 07, 2010, 06:52:33 AM
Thank you everyone for your information and kind comments ( i was having a good camera day!)

Brian, he was beautiful, i used photoshop to "lighten" the shadows with some minimal cropping,  my photo was very dark. its too bad we couldn't see his tail!
someone also suggested he might be a goshawk, but i have never seen on of those either. I think maybe he was too small for a goshawk.

Once again, thank you.

Irene
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Post by: ravynne40 on March 07, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
ok now i am torn i have viewed some pictures of juvenile goshawks as well as  juvenile coopers pics

i can't make up my mind what it is
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Post by: beresford on March 07, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
Thats an awesome 'classic' raptor shot!

Congratulations
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Post by: Bluffs Birder on March 07, 2010, 12:57:13 PM
Hi Irene,

Brian was right, it's a Cooper's.

Tip to tail a Northern Goshawk is actually bigger than a Red-tail. A Goshawk also has much heavier streaking over the entire underside than a Cooper's.

Northern Goshawk (from icebiker1's photostream on flickr)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/3044054003_1812a160f6_b.jpg)

If anyone is having trouble ID'ing Hawks, all I can say is attend a Hawk Watch as many times as you can, it's amazing what you'll see and learn.  There is one that has just started on March 1st at Beamer Conservation Area in Grimsby, the only local springtime Watch.  They counted over 17,000 hawks last season.  In the fall their are many Watches along the shores of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie.

Walter  :)
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Post by: ravynne40 on March 07, 2010, 05:23:16 PM
wow Walter, great shot, thank you for all the info and sharing this picture

and thanks to everyone, I'm still new (ok a year old) at all this birding especially hawks, and being limited to only seeing a select few close up.

so Cooper's it is! :)
you guys are awesome
thanks again
Irene
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Post by: Bluffs Birder on March 08, 2010, 03:00:02 AM
Hi Irene,

I wish to heck that I could lay claim to that photo, but it's not mine, I just linked it here from flickr for identification purposes and gave credit to the photogragher.

You're welcome for the information, that's why we are all on this board in the first place, to share what knowledge we know with each other.  It's the way that I learned all about Hawks myself, the sharing of knowledge.  I went to a Hawk Watch 2 years ago not knowing a thing and everyone there was more than willing to teach me anything and everything they knew, including some very simple but effective tips on how to identify raptors quickly as they fly past.  People always ask how we can look up at a hawk and within a few seconds know exactly what type it is, and we reply "after seeing a few hundred it becomes very easy."  An expert Hawkwatcher taught me something that really made alot of sense, he said "eventually it becomes the same as finding your child in a large crowd, you know it's your child the instant you look at him/her and no further inspection is needed."  After attending 2 complete Hawk Watches (fall '08 for 4 months and fall '09 for 4 months) I'm starting to feel quite confident in my hawk ID'ing ability although I'm no expert by any means.

Birders are the friendliest bunch of people!!!

Walter  :)