Has Anyone Tried the Pentax K20D Yet?
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Has Anyone Tried the Pentax K20D Yet?

bird_guy

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I am getting tired of spending huge dollars on my lenses, and am wondering if anyone has tried this camera yet. I am looking at buying one and going with a Sigma 300-800mm lens on it for bird shots.

The reason that i am seriously looking at dumping my Canon 5D, and XTI, and Nikon D200, is the price of lenses and imcompatibility as new technology comes out. I have spent over $ 20,000 on lenses, and was looking at a 1D, but low and behold, some of my lenses aren't compatible with it.

Also to get the same results as a 1D, it appears that the Pentax K20D is the first camera to do this at a reasonable price. I was reading a review on it, and there are some real cost saving benefits too, that they've incorporated, which should save a fortune on lenses;

1) The first thing is that almost all Pentax lenses ever built are compatible with the camera. No other manufacturer has been able to do this yet.
2) Since their version of Image Stabilization is built into the body, there are additional cost savings in that you don't have to pay huge dollars for this when buying new lenses.
3) The 14.4 mp sensor and ISO 50 to 6400 are features that are mainly only available on the 1D, which are great features for some of the studio work i do too.

If anyone has tried one or has heard some things on this camera, please let me know, thanks!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by bird_guy »


Michael Tam

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Found a review of the camera you are interested in.  Please go to :
http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5112/ca ... -k20d.html
Hope it is helpful for you.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Michael Tam »


bird_guy

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Thanks for the input.

I have read some other reviews on this, and i am going to go this route and sell off the canons and nikons. I have yet to find anything negative on the camera other than it only shoots 3 frames per second. One other amazing piece that can be added on to this unit , is a 1.7x convereter, that takes even old fashion lenses and turns them into autofocus lenses (The adaptor does the autofocusing and since the stabilization is built into the camera body , there are some really amazing opportunities as far as i can tell.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by bird_guy »


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There is no adapter to turn a non-AF lens into an AF one. Auto-exposure yes, auto-focus no.

For bird shooting tho, you might want to consider what the AF performance is like. To my knowledge, all Pentax AF bodies still have body driven AF, no Silent-wave or USM or HSM type lenses.

The 300-800 is also not available for the Pentax mount. You might want to check http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_chart.asp for a full list of which lenses are available in the Pentax mount from Sigma.

Since you have a 5D, XTI & D200, why don't you go for a D3? Consider that this advice is coming from a guy who shoots with Canon DSLRs.

Which lenses do you have, which ones are you having trouble with?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Kin Lau »


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Hi Kin,

I appreciate your response (you take nice pics by the way).

I am not going to consider the pentax this summer as i have a tough project near revelstoke, b.c.  that will require the canon 1000mm (leased lens) and 1.4x teleconverter, i am going to use the 5D for that setup, and the XTI with the 100-400mm and wireless transmitters for that one. This one is not for birds but for cougars (I need the extra distance for safety).

SMC though, does make a focusing ring for a hefty price which does the fucusing with non AF lenses for the pentax. It's like an extra lens which sits between the mirror and non AF lens, and yes you are correct, that all pentax bodies do the AF. The rep's at SMC also say they can make a ring to attach the sigma 300-800 canon mount to the k20d body. I would have to make sure the lens is fast enough for AF though especially at the 800 mm end. (for e.g., the 100-400 mm was slow but ok at AF with the 1.4x teleconverter , but would not AF with the 2x.

I guess my beef is that a lot of the jobs that i do are kind of expensive and i always demand at least 65% up front before i do any projects, period. Last year was the perfect example of why my lens costs get so high. Last summer i had a project nw of toronto at mono cliffs provincial park photographing some venezuala wing tagged tv's and the fourth known full 100% albino turkey vulture.

It took a few days to find out which limestone cave floor they were using for nesting, and when i finally figured out which one, getting down to the cave took hours, and then because it was so narrow and because of the light and entrance, i had to get a lens made in germany which was 6mm wide angle and sat 1/4" away from the 5D mirror. Then the unit had to placed in waterproof material inside an artifical rock which looked like limestone so as not to spook the tv's. The rock also contained a 48 hour battery pack, and wireless transmitter where i picked up the  data as i sat on top of the cliff with my laptop. There were logistical problems too with the laptop deleting pics on the camera as i only had an 8gb card. That project took a couple of weeks.

Unfortunately the albino tv at Mono Cliffs only lasted a few weeks and would not hunt with the others. The others were hunting at 11:30 AM and then again at 3:30 to 4:30 PM. The albino though was probably in considerable pain in the heat from its lack of pigmentation and only hunted for food closer to sunrise and sunset, i am assuming it perished from starvation.

The rest of my projects were easier, ospreys from 30 feet, eagles at victoria, and cancerous goose at Orangeville reservoir. Right now i am out in Victoria again, photographing a strange phenomenon which has started showing up in the last 7 years. The biologists are unsure why but in the lower mainland, Vancouver Island, Washington and Oregon, the birds out here have started developing unusually longer beaks with no noticeable deformity (other than the length). This phenomenon is showing up in hawks, many of the songbirds, woodpeckers, crows, jays, etc. Each year more and more of these birds are showing up like this so it's pretty weird.

Anyway, thanks once again.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by bird_guy »


Kin Lau

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If you need AF speed, then you need to try a 1D body. It makes a huge difference even when compared with my 20D.

The new Nikon D300 is suppose to have the same high speed AF as the older brother D3.

The ability to AF at f8 for the pro bodies will be a big plus also.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Kin Lau »


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I would like to give you my insight into the field of bird photography. IMHO, it all comes down to money. I like to watch birds and to photograph them when I can, but I have a limited budget, so I use a Pentax K10D with a Tamron 70-300mm and Kenko 1.5TC. Total cost of less than $1,000. I get a number of shots that please me, but sometimes get frustrated with slow focus speed, noise due to the need to use high ISO, etc.
However, I am not wiling to buy a D3 or 1dMk111 and a 600mm/f4 VR lens and beamer flash unit, which I see being used by a number of local birders, costing upwards of $15,000. Sure, they get some great images, worthy of publication, but I am quite content with my results considering the cost.
There is also the problem of traveling with this type of equipment. I am able to pack all my gear into a sling bag, which I carry as cabin baggage for security. Imagine trusting a $10,000 lens in checked luggage? The only things that I put into checked luggage these days is a monopod/tripod and battery chargers, etc.
The bottom line is if you want and can afford the best, get a pro-grade DSLR and long lenses, otherwise, regard it as a challenge to get the best out of what your budget will allow.

And bye-the-way, both the Pentax K10D and K20D have the capability of using “USM”-type in-lens focusing motors (all the latest Pentax lenses have them, including the DA*300mm. And there is an old Pentax 1.7TC that converts manual focus lenses to AF.

Regards

Two Jugs
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Twojugs »


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Quote from: "bird_guy"
Hi Kin,

I appreciate your response (you take nice pics by the way).

I am not going to consider the pentax this summer as i have a tough project near revelstoke, b.c.  that will require the canon 1000mm (leased lens) and 1.4x teleconverter, i am going to use the 5D for that setup, and the XTI with the 100-400mm and wireless transmitters for that one. This one is not for birds but for cougars (I need the extra distance for safety).



Ummm Canon doesn't make a 1000mm lens, only a 1200mm f/5.6 and if you can find one period, thats awesome, considering the price of one of those bad boys used is $100,000 (B&H has one)

Mind you it weighs a million pounds

That being said, I'd love to have such projects.  I'm grabbing myself an EF500mm soon so I can pretend I am on one.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2008, 02:13:19 PM by ichiro17 »


Kin Lau

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It's not hard to get cheaper, but the lens is not the best thing to skimp on.

If you're shooting with a K10D and the Tamron 70-300 + TC, then you're better off with a manual focus 400/5.6, you might even be shocked at how much sharper the 400/5.6 is. There's also a good manual focus Pentax SMC 500/4.5 if you can find it, that shouldn't be too much.

If you have a good pair of bin's, consider using it with a P&S in a digiscoping setup. You'd be amazed at how good it can be.

I started with a Digital Rebel 300D (super slow) and a $100- 500/8 mirror lens, so I do know about cheap :)

This is the only "keeper" I have from those days.
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Quote from: "Kin Lau"
There is no adapter to turn a non-AF lens into an AF one. Auto-exposure yes, auto-focus no.


Well there is the AF 1.7x TC :P it gives you some Auto Focus, all you need to do is manual focus to a closer point then it will AF the rest. It does work for making MF lens to have AF, btw how is the SMC 400mm/5.6? anyone try it?  :roll: the 50-135mm SDM is totally not telephoto enough except I got some small goldfinch and woodpecker  :lol:
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Quote from: "Vizjerei"
Quote from: "Kin Lau"
There is no adapter to turn a non-AF lens into an AF one. Auto-exposure yes, auto-focus no.

Well there is the AF 1.7x TC :P it gives you some Auto Focus, all you need to do is manual focus to a closer point then it will AF the rest. It does work for making MF lens to have AF,


The AF 1.7x TC is so slow, that 9 times out of 10, you'll be faster using MF. With so many limitations, I wouldn't really call it a "AF adapter".
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Quote from: "Kin Lau"
The AF 1.7x TC is so slow, that 9 times out of 10, you'll be faster using MF. With so many limitations, I wouldn't really call it a "AF adapter".


Oh I know hahaha  8) people getting that usually just for the 1.7x
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Vizjerei »