Northern shrike

[Anonymous]

I was on a concession road just south of the 401, east of Newtonville road and came across this northern shrike.

http://art-mcleod.fotopic.net/p38480535.html
http://art-mcleod.fotopic.net/p38480536.html
http://art-mcleod.fotopic.net/p38480537.html

[Voyageur]

Nice shots but would be more enjoyable with the red smudges. :roll:

[Kin Lau]

Nice shots but would be more enjoyable with the red smudges. :roll:

True, but as recently demonstrated here, people _will_ rip you off and steal your pictures.

[Halton Hills]

True, but as recently demonstrated here, people _will_ rip you off and steal your pictures.

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Ahhhh yes.......the money is now pouring in from my little scheme.

If all goes as planned......I should be able to retire in a few months.

Credit was given........nobody was "ripped off"

A monkey could figure out the intent of the posting.

Get a grip


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[Walter Sobchak]

I'll drop my two cents.

First the Red Lettering does ruin some otherwise fabulous photos

re: the Pekka Komi photo's

The photos were posted without knowledge of the original source, and do adhere to the "Fair Use" guidelines of distributing another's work.  It would be nice to discuss birds here without the "copy write police" popping up and taking a very argumentative stance that adds nothing to a thread when a PM could have accomplished more with tact.  I took the liberty to Email Mr. Komi, I wonder if anybody else bothered.  At the same time if somebody post photo's that are not their own, they should state as much in the post so there can be no confusion.

Now that said, I would consider this more mature board than most, but it seems that forum trolling truly knows no bounds...

[Halton Hills]

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Finally.....a breath of fresh air.......Thank You Walter.

I too am puzzled and would like nothing better than to come to this forum and enjoy some casual discussion while viewing some "other peoples" photos.

As you are aware, the photos in question were of unknown origin to me. They were subsequently removed and replaced with a direct link to Pekka Komi's website to satisfy all those concerned.

I just assumed that it was put to bed......until I read Kin's post.

Why I would be called a thief is beyond me.......by a Mod of all people.

He then sent me a PM and told me to remove MY post because he found it "inappropriate and offensive"

Frankly.....I'm stunned.

What a shame for everyone.

I apologize for posting this in your thread GTR......but I'm only responding to what was said.

P.S.  Here is a cut-paste of the email I sent to Pekka on Feb.2/07......I never heard anything back.




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[Kin Lau]

At the same time if somebody post photo's that are not their own, they should state as much in the post so there can be no confusion.

Thank you for this extremely important line. A point that seems to lost to some people.

Unfortunately, some people react to every single thing as a personal affront.

Halton Hills decided my message was directed to him personally, and then proceed to make derogatory remarks which I asked in PM to remove. I _DID_NOT_ call him a thief, he applied that himself.

The point is simply, SOMEONE (not anyone in particular), already decided to steal Mr Komi's picture, and forward it to everyone in his mailing list. The theft of intellectual property has already occurred prior to "Halton Hills" ever receiving his email.

The Lesson I was trying to impart was "A copyright notice right in the image prevents people from ripping you off" - Taking your image without permission = "ripped off", which was exactly what happened to Mr Komi. Halton Hills simply gave me a good example to refer to.

This other implication of making money, getting rich, being dumber than a monkey, is simply someone jumping to conclusions.

[Kin Lau]

The photos were posted without knowledge of the original source, and do adhere to the "Fair Use" guidelines of distributing another's work.

I'm sorry, but this is not "Fair Use".... I do not see any of the four factors of fair use in play here.

I'll be happy to discuss this in the Off-Topic forums.

[Walter Sobchak]

The photos were posted without knowledge of the original source, and do adhere to the "Fair Use" guidelines of distributing another's work.

I'm sorry, but this is not "Fair Use".... I do not see any of the four factors of fair use in play here.

I'll be happy to discuss this in the Off-Topic forums.

Of course Off-topic would be a better venue for this discussion.

[Halton Hills]

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"True, but as recently demonstrated here, people _will_ rip you off and steal your pictures"


and then..............."I _DID_NOT_ call him a thief"

OMG........LOL  :lol:

If not directed at me.......please provide a link to the "other" person or post.

ahhhh........never mind.

This is bordering on the insane.

Have fun........Halton Hills out


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[Kin Lau]

Right in my post, clearly explained but unfortunately not read....sigh.

The point is simply, SOMEONE (not anyone in particular), already decided to steal Mr Komi's picture, and forward it to everyone in his mailing list. The theft of intellectual property has already occurred prior to "Halton Hills" ever receiving his email.