Can you get arrested for bird watching?
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Can you get arrested for bird watching?

chewycheesefoot

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Today on my lunch break I drove down the road to the Duffern Creek Conservation area and parked my car at the side of the dirt road and took a little stroll.  I saw a wack of red winged black birds, i think a gold finch ( it was small and yellow and zipped passed me), robins and alot more birds that made me wish i had brought my bionoculars.  On my walk back I noticed taht there was a Cop car beside mine and her was checking out my car. By the time I had reached my car he had left.  When I got to my car I noticed the cop was turning around a few hundred feet down the raod.  I got into my car only to see his flashing lights.  He asked for my drivers license, then told me to stay in the car.  I dug up the rest of my info from my glove box, noticing that i had a steak knife in there for some reason, which the cop didn't notice, no harm done.   Then I was asked if i had any drugs or illegal things in the car.  I quickly ate all my hash and said "no sir" (kidding).  After this he informed me that my plate were expired.  He let me off cus, either he was nice or  we were on a dirt raod with no real name and he didn't know what to put on the ticket for where he had issued it.  Either way, it was a stressful yet exciting bird watching experience.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by chewycheesefoot »


Kin Lau

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Welcome.

Keep in mind that the same places we often go for bird watching, are not heavily used by people during the week, and have been used by many for non-bird watching activities.

Check out this other topic started a few months ago http://outdoorontario.net/birds/phpBB/v ... php?t=1469

In short, be happy about the police presence, others have also had their cars broken into.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Kin Lau »


BIGFRANK

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Ive come close to being arrested while bird watching...fledgling watching to be more exact. Several years back,while part of a Canadian Peregrine Foundation Fledgling Watch team,the tiny unassuming site co-ordinator Linda,decided that a big ole ugly guy like me should keep an eye on the young Peregrine,which had flown onto a nearby condo window ledge. I saw the folley in this almost immediately,but I was assinged so off I went with my binoculars around my neck and walkie talkie in hand. I was sure some resident of the condo would call the cops on me. In short order an unmarked car pulled up with 2 police in suits..they wondered what I was doing with the walkie and bins. I explained,while they went over my ID(most had been stolen on a trip). I wasnt sure they believed me,when Linda started calling on the walkie talkie about a bird off flying. I said Id love to help you Linda but Im being questioned by police. Eventually they realized I wasnt a Peeping BIGFRANK and let me go.   (Note..since then CPF Fledge Volunteers get ID and local police are informed of our activities and who to talk to on site if there are any questions)
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Several close calls in this department:

Georgia, late 70's -- I was travelling to the Everglades with my aunt, and a slim, long-tailed bird with large white wing-patches flew across Interstate 75. In what was to become her life-long obsession with mockingbirds, she locked the brakes on my Ford Maverick, reaching for her binoculars, all the while shrieking "Mockingbird! Mockingbird! Mockingbird!" until we came to an abrupt halt after nearly ripping the passenger doors off on a guard rail. Two other vehicles suffered minor dings, and, as luck would have it, the second victim was a Georgia State Trooper. He was angry, and we were driven to the Tifton Courthouse, where I tried to explain things, waving credit cards and U.S. cash ... well, she picked up five tickets, I paid for the vehicular damage two days later, and we resumed our trip in a rental. I drove.

Aurora, Ontario, 1984 -- Reports of a Hawk Owl were circulating back in the days of the Globe and Mail Birds column and word-of-mouth. Off we went in my 1978 Plymouth Fury. It was some unpaved road, and there were quite a few vehicles parked every which-way, tripods all over, and we joined the group. The very agreeable vole-biter was perched on a tv antenna (remember them?), and Margaret, not entirely familiar with the ways of owls, began waving a hot dog and bellowing, "Here, Ollie! Here, Ollie!" to the bemusement of the other observers. One group, who'd driven from Rochester, immediately locked themselves in their vehicle.

Well, A York Regional Police cruiser (talk about bad timing) just happened to appear on the scene, perhaps for a donut-break, and the officer, seeing all the cars and tripods and, I suppose, the hot dog thing, approached, nervously. We explained that we were there to look at a bird, which didn't seem to register immediately, as his attention seemed to be occupied with the hot dog. After a few minutes of silence, we were advised to park our vehicles to the side of the road and not impede traffic (?), before he made a hasty exit from the situation. No tickets this time.

There are more stories, but I must say it's a little less suspicious to be wandering about with binoculars these days. For an interesting tale germane to this topic (and a fascinating historical account of birding in the Toronto area), I refer the reader to Richard M. Saunders' Flashing Wings, published in 1947. Ornithologists armed with optical equipment during WW2 certainly attracted more attention when they found themselves near military bases ...

Cheers.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by norman »
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I remember a story from after September 11th.  (Well after September 11th.)

Quote from: "Willie D'Anna"
If you are planning to bird the Niagara River on the American side, then you
need to read this.  NOTE: this is not a joke!

Today, Dean DiTommaso and I walked Bird Island Pier in Buffalo, in search of
the recently reported Willet.  Bird Island Pier starts at Squaw Island and
runs south, parallel to the NY shore and 200 yards out.  It crosses under
the Peace Bridge (the bridge between the US and Canada) and continues for a
total one-way length of about 1.5 to 2 miles.  We were a little beyond the
very end of the pier, studying the Willet for some five minutes, when three
Buffalo Police Officers walked up to the end of the pier.  One drew his gun
and shouted to us, "Put your hands in the air and walk slowly toward us!"
He then repeated his demand.  We left our scopes where they were and did as
ordered.

Apparently, someone reported that two people were filming the Peace Bridge.
Obviously, we were not but is that a crime?  (Rhetorical question.)  We
eased their concerns very quickly after providing ID and telling them what
we were doing.  Nevertheless, they told us that we had to go back to the
beginning of the pier with them because there were people there who wanted
to talk to us.  Upon returning to the start of the pier, we noticed about 8
vehicles, mostly Buffalo P.D. but also the Border Patrol and perhaps some
unmarked vehicles.  Meanwhile, the Coast Guard was patrolling the water
keeping an eye on us during the entire affair.  All told, there were
probably 15 law enforcement personnel involved.  We were also told that the
FBI was on the way.

After waiting some 45 more minutes, they requested to search my vehicle.
Since I wanted to get out of there and continue birding on this fine weather
day, I let them.  Finally, they decided we could go.  But first, we had to
go through the TV interview - Channel 7.

The Border Patrol gave me a card, suggesting that birders phone them when
they are going to be out on the pier or anywhere near one of the
international bridges.  Obviously, you don't have to do this since you have
every right to bird but it could save you some hassle.  (It's the scopes
that make them nervous.)  Here are the numbers:

Border Patrol:
Local - (716) 447-3942
Toll-free - (800) 331-0353
Email - BPBuffalo at dhs.gov

Good birding!
Willie
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Willie D'Anna
Betsy Potter
Niagara Falls, N.Y.
dannapotter at wzrd.com



That story was submitted to Ontbirds on Sat Jan 3 19:46:59 EST 2004
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GBLangley

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I've been "arrested" or questioned in Uganda, Zambia and Poland for having binoculars. Usually its a scam to get a bribe.

I got arrested at Miami airport for looking for Burrowing Owls at a well documented site and was driven to a metro station and told to get on a train to anywhere else.

I was also arrested in New Jersey by a cop. When I explained i was walking along a road looking for birds he said "no one walks in New Jersey!" He drove me to Newark Airport and told me to stay indoors. When I asked "what happened to land of the brave, home of the free" ? He said "wise Ass you'll be staying in the land of the free if you don't shut your mouth!" Maybe thats why I prefer canada to the States!

Graham (UK)
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