Trouble with my females

[Khalli]

Having a bit of trouble with these two from my walk today.The first one I think is a female Black-throated Blue warbler but the only photo I see of it describes it as a first fall female.


The second I believe to be a female American Redstart, but again the photos I see don't have the black between bill and eyes. Just an individual variation maybe?


Any comments, explanations or tips on IDing either of these birds would be appreciated as always.
 I just want to put in an extra thanks to the 'senior' members of this group who assist with the IDing of birds for those of us with less experience.

[Brian Bailey]

You are correct with the first one.  The white wing spot is diagnostic.  

The second bird is an American Redstart.  It appears to be a first year male.  They are more orange where a female would be yellow and often have random bits of black.  

BB

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[Khalli]

Thanks Brian for the quick response and field marks to look for next time, it is much appreciated.  

[Dinusaur]

.... I just want to put in an extra thanks to the 'senior' members of this group who assist with the IDing of birds for those of us with less experience.

I second that.