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Unleashed Dogs

angieinto

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First of all, let me start off by saying I love dogs, but am annoyed at owners who refuse to follow the "Dogs must be leashed at all times" by-law.

At the park close to our home, James Gardens and Lampton Woods, this is the law, yet every time we visit the park we see it. Do these people not realize how destructive their dogs can be to woodlands, especially at this time of year when nesting is going on? Not to mention the number of times I've seen unleashed dogs attack other dogs on leashes! I actually got involved in the argument that took place when this happened a couple weeks ago, as the lady who didn't have her dog leashed was so rude to the man who did, I couldn't stand it and had to say something.

Today we had to witness a dog chase a couple Geese, and I couldn't help but imagine what would of happened if they had of had goslings and the dog had of gotten a hold of one of them.     :(

I'm so sick of it, I have a hard time not saying something. Why can't people just follow the law, keep their dogs leashed or take them to an off leash park? It's disrespectful to me, the land, nature and the other dog walkers who do keep their dogs leashed.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by angieinto »
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Take pictures of the dog and the owner and report it to the police as they are breaking the by-law.
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i didn't say anything before, but on my first visit to lambton woods a very large dog wanted to "play" according to his owner, he jumped up and was as tall as me, both paws on my shoulders, and knocked me flat on my butt. when the owner saw the camera he flipped, he appologized a hundred times, mind  you no harm was done to me (other then a few bruises), and none to the camera.(i think the owner was crapping cuz he figured he might have to pay damages for the camera)

i wasn't sure what the bylaws were at lambton regarding leashes, the owner then leashed his dog, and so did the lady that was talking to me about the birds (she leashed her dog too)

i'm figuring that this is a common occurence, and that people will do as they wish with their dogs if not reported or charged. sometimes i think people feel that their complaints fall on deaf ears too.
just my thoughts on this depressing rainy morning.

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One of my pet peeves too (pardon the pun). I used to have a neapolitan mastiff...very well trained, good natured obedient dog...but I suppose he did appear menacing. I always had him leashed and would in fact watch for people who appeared insecure walking by, and pull him off to the side so they could pass...my thought being that we were infringing their enjoyment of the park...

I have held unleashed dogs as they come bounding up only to have the clueless owner telling me it was OK that I could release their dog...and when I told them no, the dog had to be leashed, I have, on several occasions been called an (*#%)hole. I'm lucky...I'm a larger than average sized guy...and I admit, that I probably am an (*#%)hole and I continue to harass the irresponsible clowns...my thought being that perhaps the next time they'll leash their dog to avoid the aggravation.

I run into this problem even at my own home. My property abuts a campsite and there is a particular camper who is too lazy to exercise his beagle and thinks its OK to just let the annoying creature loose...a beagle...in an area rich in rabbits...this dog has spent hours bounding around my home baying...we're also rich in coyotes...I keep praying.

Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do...except be an (*#%)hole.

I'd love to hear from the perspective of a dog owner who lets their dog run amok in a park not designated as a leash free...
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I too have an issue with unleashed rampant dogs.  Finding people who turn their dogs loose in the parks and thinking it's comical to have them terrorize everything else is just not cool.

Do we all need to start arguements in the park with these people?  What a crappy time to have in a place we so enjoy.  But it's just as crappy of a time for us trying to enjoy nature peacefully and all it has to offer with someone's untrained dog circling our heels, jumping up tree trunks and everywhere else.

Signs are posted in Lambton as with many of the other parks.  People just choose to ignore the by-laws.  If the city actually started charging people, especially during mating/nesting season, then we might see some change.

I've dealt with city parks people regarding some issues in Lambton Woods in the past and unfortunately it's very frustrating to say the least.  First off, going through the city and actually finding the correct person to speak with is enough to drive one mad.  Then to speak with that person, get the answers and so on takes more than a few days.  I think they hope we will just give up or forget after 3 or 4 weeks of running around in circles with them.
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I'm informed by a spokesperson for Toronto Parks that By-Law Officers are similarly unimpressed by irresponsible dog owners, who not only think of our "greenspaces" (that's the way it was put) as dog toilets, but especially when , just as the owner passes the by-law sign, unhooks their canine(s), because, um, "Dogs have to be free." Some parks e.g. in the former (? ... Amalgamation will never really happen in peoples' minds) North York, very old signs still stand, stating that it their parks are not to be fouled (I don't recall the exact wording -- anyone?) by dogs. Enlightened.

If you have a dog (or dogs; I won't get into professional "dog-walkers" with six or eight dogs dragging them through the area; should there be a limit?) and you have a lawn, that's where the end-product of the animals' digestive processes should take place. It's just not good enough (though better than nada) to perfunctorily pick up a bit when it happens in a park; you rarely get everything anyway. If you have to use parks, please be scrupulous about removing the fecal material (As the majority of owners, I've noticed, are). When I see small children rolling about on the turf in a heavily-used park, I cringe. Punch Toxocara canis into that Wikipedia thing for a little bit on canine-borne parasites. Even without the zoonotic nasty bits, I don't like to see anyone sitting in excrement, even if it's just a little bit of excrement. But if the dog's owner complies with the by-law, then she/he is taking responsibility. Just makes me a bit queasy, is all.

Two suggestions: If you can capture an image, that might help. Maybe a "Facebook" page ... but say something, provided you feel safe and there are other folks around. No need to be rude, but social pressure is very effective indeed. When was the last time you saw someone light a cigarette on, say, the subway? (When the smoking bans started -- 30 years was it? -- there was an adjustment period, and people smoked in shopping malls, at concerts and films, and so on. It was all so new, and seemed so normal to have a smoke at a bar, that people (in general) said nothing. Think about what would happen if someone lit up in, oh, a library (I remember ashtrays in doctors' offices!) now ... I don't know what that would cost you, but it's probably more than the cigarette.

The other necessary approach: Call the city's by-law branch and complain, every single time you witness someone leaving their pet's little (not always that little) gift behind. If it's the same place, apparently by-law personnel will pay regular visits to that park. Note the time of day if it's relatively consistent. Every single time.

I'll post the number to call when I find it.
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I called today and will continue to do so, she also suggested I call Parks & Recreation to request more signs be posted about keeping dogs leashed. I think a sign posted by the Lampton Woods sign is really needed. I've read in an online paper today this isn't the only park having this annoying issue.  

 I asked her if she suggested say something to the people who aren't falling the by-law and she said that was up to me.

Ok, off to call the parks and recreation people......
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As a responsible Jack Russell Terrier owner, my dog is picked up after when she goes for a walk on her leash around the block or in the back yard.  She is not walked at or near dawn/dusk due to the presence of both avian and fauna entities which would make a quick meal out of her.  We tend to stay away from areas during the day that have known coyote populations, such as the Scarborough Bluffs, Rouge Valley, and Morningside Park.  

I have spent many hours in the places mentioned above, and you can add Colonel Sam Smith Park to that list as well.  Many times I have encountered people who, knowing full well that it is not only against the by laws of the area but also against the well being of their dogs, believe that it is their inaliable right to let their dogs off leash.

Reasons given range from "Oh, they grew up in this park and have always been running here off leash." or my personal favourite, "There's no threat to my dog from anything in the area, even the coyotes."

During the meeting which I attended on a proposed off leash area here in Scarborough, the City advised that they would have bylaw officers present at intermittent times to ensure that the rules and laws which govern the off leash areas are adhered to.  In conversation with City officials after the meeting, they acknowledged that they don't have nearly the number of bylaw officers necessary to enforce the laws which are already in place.

Regrettably, in todays society, people have a "me" complex wherein they believe that everything exists for their use and not the entities which occupied the regions long before they arrived.  What is required is either more strict enforcement of the bylaws (which due to the leanings of City council won't happen as politically they don't believe in enforcement), or perhaps a public awareness campaign to make dog owners more aware of the ramifications of their actions - a more plausible scenario.
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"Do people not realize how destructive their dogs can be to woodlands..."

Very few people realize how fragile woodlands are, and how destructive such activities as simply walking in them, never mind dogs or mountain bikes, can be.
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