Long-Eared Owl, Leslie Spit
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Long-Eared Owl, Leslie Spit

dbellilo

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Agreed! I'd smash my camera and all the other bird photographers' too, but that'd be illegal and while we're on the subject of justice: if there were any justice, they'd make BIRD PHOTOGRAPHY against not just the law of TRUE BIRDERS but also the laws that find their way into courts with judges and juries! Some people even EAT birds, can you imagine it, but don't get me started on that one. Me, I photograph them, and although my sleep does get troubled here and there, I console myself by flushing owls in as many deep forests as I can. The deeper they sleep, the more I go SNAP SNAP SNAP with my huge camera and chase them through the darkened pines, but then the guilt comes back (you've disturbed a pretty bird again you selfish bastard) and the cycle repeats! I take pictures of the CN Tower and other T.O. landmarks to console myself, but such shots do little to feed my jones. The only chance at redemption for me and the other bird photographers out there: hopefully the good books were right, and there's a hell after we die. If so, me and the others will TURN INTO BIRDS at the Leslie Spit for all eternity, and the real bad ones will turn into birds at a zoo or aviary and then we'll just see how we like it...who cooks for you all, INDEED!
Yours very sincerely,
David B.
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well spoken david.
i like your sense of humour. LOL
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Very Nice!
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"To be a better nature photographer, be a better naturalist.The more you know about nature,the more you will see to photograph. Develop a deeper compassion for the world around us, and live by an ethic of concern for the subject matter."

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mr.sharp-photo

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A Photograph of a Long-eared Owl with wide-open eyes is a case of the owl being disturbed and is not good birding ethics .  I accept that Long-eared Owls are very easily flushed which is all the more reason to keep your distance and let them be. A bird being continuously flushed is unacceptable . Those who do this have no regard for the well-being of the bird and should not be in the birding business---go take photos of the CN Tower or whatever.
 This is supposed to be a birding forum but you would never think it when it seems the majority of the posts concern photography and comments on such.
  I know I am talking to the wall here but I just have to get it off my chest.  I long for the days of old when all that was around the necks of the vast majority of birders was binoculars. I wish I could  say that most people who take photos of birds, particularly owls,  exercise proper birding ethics  but, from my experience, I'm not so sure.

Brendan O'Sullivan
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Of course, the age old argument comes out. And people with binoculars never disturb birds or jaywalk or smoke in forested areas while birding...

Most good photographers spend a lot of money on equipment. My 400mm lens won't letme get close to birds to shoot. But your binoculars work differently, I guess.

On a separate note, even though I have yet to capture a long eared owl this winter, I avoided the spit today. Loudmouthed birders, flash photography and rangers is not what I enjoy about birding. I will stick to other areas until people calm down
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The following post was posted by Andy, one of the site administrators, on the Board  Etiquette thread, I felt an overwhelming need to post it here.

Reading some of the recent posts, I feel it is time to remind some of you about the rules when posting on the board. The primary one is to show respect and consideration. I think all of you are old enough to understand what that means, so I will not spell it out. If you are confused by what is appropriate behaviour, please contact me and I will be happy to explain. If you have something negative to say, please do so privately. If you disagree with another poster and feel the need to express your feelings publicly, take a deep breath and send them email.

This board has been in operation for a very long time (since 1995) with very few instances where a moderator or administrator needed to intervene or delete posts. This is a credit to so many of you who, over the years, have had only one motive: to share with others your passion for birds. Unfortunately, as with any passion, emotions can quickly run high and the resultant keyboard tapping only makes matters worse. Like I said, this board has a remarkably well-mannered history, and I am sure we would all like that to continue. So please keep your posts informative and polite.

I ask those of you who have posted comments recently that are not in the spirit of the above, that you edit your posts so that they fall within them. I really hate deleting posts, but will do so if I feel they do not meet the standards of common decency and manners.

Finally, remember this is a public forum for the dissemination of information to a community of users. It is not a substitute for email or PM's. Unless your post is of interest and worth to the community, contact the poster privately via email or this board's private messaging function.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by angieinto »
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dbellilo

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Fair enough, Angie! Thank you for upping the maturity level...

I love birds! I think we all do? And clearly many of us are interested in photographing the flyers? Particularly those of us who post in this subcategory called 'Bird Photo Corner'?

Talk of "birding ethics" is a dicey and convoluted can of worms that surely must sometimes be opened, and I am always troubled by any arguments on the subject that come across as entitled, presumptuous, elitist, holier-than-thou, etc. Taking a photograph of an owl with eyes open is NOT an across-the-board intrusion into the inner life of owls. This is a fact, and it seems silly to argue that. This said, seven people tromping through the woods, trampling vegetation, straying from clearly marked pathways, using fill flash when photographing owls - such activity must be avoided, obviously, and I doubt very much that anyone on this board would behave in that fashion. I meant no disrespect to any of you fine folks, but I do stand by my jokes and always will! Laughter is the best medicine, even for troubled owls...
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Birding is my passion for sure, and I can get passionate about it, no doubt. I joined this board to learn as much as I can about what I love and have no desire to argue about rights and wrongs when it comes to birding, I think we all know the "code".    :D
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Witnessed by a couple of people. A friend sent this to me who was there.
WENT TO THE PARK TODAY AND SAW THIS MAN DOING THE BELOW. WHILE TAKING THE SHOT HE  WAS NO MORE THAN 6 INCHES FROM THE SCREECHIE(screech owl) FACE, WITH FLASH ON A MONO POD STICK.  CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS.  CALLED HIM ON IT AND THEN HADA FEW  ANGRY WORDS.   HE SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT HE WAS DOING.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY.  FEEL FREE TO SEND TO OTHERS.  THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR MUST STOP.

buy monopod
buy cable release
attach camera to monopod
attach cable release to camera
find Screech Owl in the wild
raise camera on monopod up in air within a few inches of Screech Owl
let 'er rip, flash optional
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These are the stories that make me angry!  Selfish, with no thought of the owl's well being.  :evil:
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mr.sharp-photo

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Quote from: "BIGFRANK"
Witnessed by a couple of people. A friend sent this to me who was there.
WENT TO THE PARK TODAY AND SAW THIS MAN DOING THE BELOW. WHILE TAKING THE SHOT HE  WAS NO MORE THAN 6 INCHES FROM THE SCREECHIE(screech owl) FACE, WITH FLASH ON A MONO POD STICK.  CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS.  CALLED HIM ON IT AND THEN HADA FEW  ANGRY WORDS.   HE SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT HE WAS DOING.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY.  FEEL FREE TO SEND TO OTHERS.  THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR MUST STOP.

buy monopod
buy cable release
attach camera to monopod
attach cable release to camera
find Screech Owl in the wild
raise camera on monopod up in air within a few inches of Screech Owl
let 'er rip, flash optional


for the record (since i posted pics of the screech owl yesterday), this gent was not me but apparently it took place right before i saw the screechy.  i'm too lazy to use a monopod or tripod :)
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I thought the Spit was only open on weekends and holidays?
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mr.sharp-photo

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I thought the Spit was only open on weekends and holidays?


it is.
the screech owl is only correlated to the LEO stories based on peoples' behaviours, not based on locations
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Oh, okay, thanks for clarifying. :)
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dbellilo

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Yikes! And I thought I was a villain for photographing an open-eyed longears from 30 ft. away...next time you folks see such conduct, you'd do well to slap the perpetrator senseless! No jokes; sometimes violence IS the answer! All right, maybe not, but that's some pretty nasty business all right. Stories like these lend credence to my very positive life philosophy: humanity is worthless and birds are a-ok! Well, I exaggerate...some people are all right. Mozart, for example, was a pretty good guy! He would never have engaged in such nasty behaviour, I assure you...
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Flash is about as irritating to an owl as it is to a human. A proven fact that has been documented and is on the net, if searched for.
Gee there is no mention of the Owl prowls that a lot of Provincial parks and birding groups put on. Where they go into the woods and call owls then proceed to shine a bunch of very bright steady beams of light with flashlights. The duration of a flash unit is a split second, but no mention here about the long duration of a flashlight shined at an owl.

Good thing I stay out of Tommy Tompson Park, too many inexperienced photographers and irrate birders it sounds like.
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