pair of large accipiters in Vermont Park
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pair of large accipiters in Vermont Park

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allan

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A pair of large accipiters have been hanging around Vermont Park in Toronto (Palmerston, 2 blocks south of Dupont, one block west of Bathurst. At 8 this morning, when the park was deserted, they were flying around, calling, and investigating and adding sticks to an old squirrel nest in a mid-size Norway maple. I observed them mating once. If I didn't know better(?) I'd say they were goshawks--the calls sound more like Coopers', but they are bigger than crows and have extremely prominent and fluffy white under tail coverts. In the female especially the under tail coverts are so bushy they are visible from behind projecting out on either side of her tail when she is flying. The female looked to be an adult--dark back and light streaking on a light breast. The male was sub-adult--brown back with some small white checks, and dark brown streaking on the light breast, with 3 visible bars across the long tail. I'd be happy to have someone with more experience distinguishing accipiters in the field confirm this. I observed a goshawk in this park almost a month ago (Feb. 13). This is a small downtown park with a playground, not at all goshawk habitat, but there are plenty of pigeons and squirrels around for them to eat.
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allan

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I should add, regarding identification, that these birds (especially the female) are bigger than a crow, which also leads me to think goshawk.
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ostrich

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A light breast with light streaking is indicative of juvenile/subadult in all accipiters.  One good indicator usually of goshawk other than pure size (gos should give the impression almost of a red-tail sized accipiter) is a a white superciliary stripe on all plumages,  that Coopers won't have.  Coopers adults have a very rufous chest and slate gray head.  Adult goshawks should have a very dark grey and/or black head  but I think juveniles can have a more brownish head and upper back with white mottling.  Probably Coopers is more likely in general,  but I don't think goshawk would be out of the question.
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Sam

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Gos Hawks do not breed in parks like Vermont.Its a pair of Coopers.
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I dropped by Vermont Square today to see if I could find either of these birds - I walked around for about 15 min or so,  I was unsuccessful in spotting anything that looked to be a goshawk.  I did spot an accipiter perched in a tree directly across the street along the western side of the park,  but this bird definitely looked to be a Coopers.  It did have juvenile/subadult plumage similar to what was described,  but it definitely wasn't gos.  However it also wasn't especially big,  it was pretty standard Coopers size more or less around that of a crow.  So I'm not sure it was the same bird or not.  

   I looked around the park for nests,  and I'm not sure which tree they were bringing sticks to when you saw them,  like most parks the trees are sprinked with squirrel nests.  However there is a stick nest in the crotch of a tree that's about in the middle of the fenced playground area,  beside the swings that looked to me like a good candidate accipiter nest.  I'm not sure if that's the one.
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little frank

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My wife and I visited Vermont Park yesterday and saw a Cooper's hawk sitting in the tallest tree near the pine trees at the south west corner of the park. We were told by locals that it hangs out there when it is not building the nest which is near the play area. It will be interesting to see if the pr. actually use the nest as it is very close to a noisy part of the park.

Also saw a raccoon sleeping in a large tree on the west side of the park...also a regular so we were told.

Later went to Lithuania Park and found the Coopers' nest but no Coopers'.
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Leslie

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little frank, you must really know your nests--I haven't seen the Lithuania Cooper's nest.
Both male & female were active today--in mid-day the female dove down & caught something & butchered it on a branch of (I believe) the dead elm, the male was quite actively casing the joint.
A small bird was climbing up the trunk on the "Cooper's" side of the elm (is a brown creeper plausible?) & quickly scuttled out of sight before it could be identified.
Both Cooper's have fluffy white either side at the base of their tails (undertail coverts?) as described for the Vermont Park birds.  Does anyone know if this is characteristic of nesting Cooper's?  Other accipiters?
(Not sure if I should have posted these comments here, but they seemed to follow little frank's lead.)
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